Jiddu Krishnamurti Talks With Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche

krishnamurti-rinpocheIn this dialogue Jiddu Krishnamurti probes Chogyam Trungpa on the subjects of meditation, gurus, teachers, the intellect and their ultimate role in finding truth. Krishnamurti’s questions include what is meditation and why should one meditate at all?

Jiddu Krishnamurti (12 May 1895 – 17 February 1986) was an Indian speaker and writer on philosophical and spiritual subjects. In his early life he was groomed to be the new World Teacher but later rejected this mantle and disbanded the organisation behind it. His subject matter included psychological revolution, the nature of mind, meditation, inquiry, human relationships, and bringing about radical change in society. He constantly stressed the need for a revolution in the psyche of every human being and emphasised that such revolution cannot be brought about by any external entity, be it religious, political, or social.

Chögyam Trungpa (February 28, 1939 – April 4, 1987) was a Buddhist meditation master and holder of both the Kagyu and Nyingma lineages, the eleventh Trungpa tülku, a tertön, supreme abbot of the Surmang monasteries, scholar, teacher, poet, artist, and originator of a radical re-presentation of Shambhala vision.

Recognized both by Tibetan Buddhists and by other spiritual practitioners and scholars as a preeminent teacher of Tibetan Buddhism, he was a major, albeit controversial, figure in the dissemination of Tibetan Buddhism to the West, founding Vajradhatu and Naropa University and establishing the Shambhala Training method.


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    David Frank Gomes
    January 12, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    The title of this talk should really be …Krishnamurti talks and talks and talks and talks…. clearly no one could use meditation practice more than Krishnamurti

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      Noah Lampert
      January 12, 2015 at 6:12 pm

      We were gonna use that as a title but it didn’t fit.

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      January 29, 2015 at 1:52 pm

      I met Krishnamurti and he was amazing and one of the most liberating humans imaginable. I also spent much time with Trungpa and he was great but could talk the hind legs off a donkey. Both men have their place in my heart.

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      Ponnusamy Pundaisamy
      February 20, 2015 at 4:08 am

      I agree with you. Most of this World class teacher’s so called teachings were a joke and empty philosophy.It served no one except himself , even though he assumed that he was the greatest gift to mankind in a thousand years and more , sent by another mysterious and equally useless/invalid divine personality known as Meitreya . it is a good thing that it all ended for good. Let us hope that this Meitreya and company does not revisit because who needs more of this invalid philosophical nonsense .

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      Ponnusamy Pundaisamy
      February 20, 2015 at 1:43 pm

      This invalid joker called JK and his sponsor Meitreya seem to have been totally lost and confused about everything , including meditation. This World Teacher or World Joker was preaching that meditation was about ATTENTION AND NOT ABOUT CONCENTRATION . Indeed, it is about both ATTENTION AND CONCENTRATION AND NOT ABOUT ONE OR THE OTHER. Attention leads to Understanding or Ultimate Understanding and Concentration leads to Self -Mastery . Mere Understanding without Self-Mastery is useless and the same way, Self Mastery without understanding is destructive . But, this late World Class Teacher or World class Joker and his sponsor Meitreya did not have a clue to this intricate bonding between Attention and Concentration and preached half baked stuff to an innocent public . And this JK JOKER wanted to be recognized as the one and only World class Teacher or World Teacher to have ever stepped foot on this earth . Most of this Joker’s time and energy was probably spent on travelling and leading a luxurious life of great comfort and secret sexual affairs and legal battles . If this is the WORLD TEACHER , then mankind would certainly be doomed to extinction. Clearly, this JK JOKER had nothing to put on the table and was manipulating everyone to his benefit and serve his sexual interests/desires. It finally ended with his death and mankind is free from the KNOWN , THE KNOWN NONSENSE OF THIS JOKER AND COMPANY .

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    Abhi Shake
    February 18, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Thing is people meditate to reach a point where we merge into everything and there is no duality as well as division. Jiddu Krishnamurti was failry Realised without reaching that realisation through meditation. So he can’t why only meditation can get you there. But the monks will say that atleast its a way to reach that state for the masses. Masses following a tradition is religion. Many people limiting themselves to trying a single method/tradition. But every person is unique and others may be Realised in other ways but not by meditation.

    I believe everyone must discover their own truth. For me too, like Jiddu Krishnamurti, I saw beyond the veil of I individual ego, without meditation.

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    March 19, 2015 at 6:24 am

    As I listen, this “dialog” becomes increasingly hilarious! JK seems to think he is scoring points against this upstart!

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    Seijaku Roshi
    May 18, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    Just another thought. This one by the “me” who calls himself Krishnamurti.

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    Suresh Manishankar Gaikwad
    November 24, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    The meditation or Vipassana ends when you realise that there is no me.But K shows you the end result meditation in the beginning. He says observer is observed. Thught and knwledge are time. To see all this he calls meditation. Meditation is also see thoughts and end it.Krishamurti is like Buddha for advanced brain of 21st century mankind.

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